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  • This is a good point, I’m more inclined to support a unionized company. Still… my understanding is that GM and Ford (and others) all circumvent unionization by manufacturing (to some extent) in Mexico. I guess it depends on the individual car. I’m supportive of Federal and State EV incentives that prioritize made in the US, unionized manufacturing.


  • Yeah, this is my dilemma. I have heard positive things about Ford and GM in regards to them making it easier to skip the dealership, so that at least addresses the convenience factor. Another factor in wanting to avoid the dealership is that I don’t trust their business model where they sell you a car that they want you to bring in regularly for maintenance. I’d rather buy from a company that doesn’t see vehicle service as a revenue opportunity. Does that apply to Tesla? I’m not sure, but I know that’s how the traditional dealership model works so it’s hard to trust those companies.



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    6 months ago

    You seem to be missing the point. Show me a car company that’s not screwing over the consumers and the workforce, and I’ll buy from them. Not every consumer has the luxury of maximizing altruism with their car purchase. At least those supposedly untrained employees are US citizens getting paid a US wage. Do you honestly think that things are better at the Mexican plants?

    Maybe Honda and Toyota or Subaru? But they’ve been too busy sucking off the oil industry with their hydrogen push, and now their EV offerings can’t compete.


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    Cars and car companies suck. If I could lug all my sports shit around in an e-bike I would.

    I imagine the conditions aren’t great at all these “American” car plants which are conveniently located in Mexico for maximum abuse of labor.

    I’m not saying you’re wrong, there just needs to be alternatives in order for consumers to vote with their wallet on these issues.

    For something like a car which is not optional for me, it’s either an ICE from a scummy car dealer with a scummy company behind them that uses questionable labor practices, or an EV from a scummy car dealer with a scummy company behind them that uses questionable labor practices, or an EV from a company with a scummy CEO that uses questionable labor practices. At least with a Tesla you can cut out some of the scumbags? I’d be interested in Rivian too if I could afford one but they start at 70k.



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    This probably is true for some people, which is why I hope he steps down.

    Me, I’m waiting for the prices to come down (more than the recent price cuts) on the Model 3, or for a more affordable AWD EV with similar range to become available.

    I order online from Amazon and Walmart too, it doesn’t mean I agree with their CEOs, board, or business practices. The shit those companies get away with is arguably worse than Musk’s right wing BS on X, with union busting and employees depending on benefits to survive.

    If you’re able to make a statement and buy something else, great! I support that. My requirements for a vehicle are: full EV, AWD, 300+ mile range, final cost under 40k. The access to supercharging also seems nearly essential, but I’m willing to explore my options if they meet the other requirements. I also never want to buy from a scumbag car dealer again. That really doesn’t leave me any other options that I’m aware of.

    If not, I guess I could stick it to Elon and just buy another ICE vehicle…