Its worse than that, if they were to do a Microsoft or Sony and sell it at a loss to try and make money back on the games, then what would happen when they sell through the batch they currently have of presumably pre “BiBi and Donnys special visit to Iran” costed units, then what?

Suddenly all the other components are spiking in price, the pcbs and the plastic cost more, the packaging is more expensive, and they are forced to raise their prices. The sound of screeching from the terminally online intensifies as a bunch of “experts” declare that Valve can afford to lose money because Gabe isn’t walking around in a barrel Diogenes style.

As a software company in the hardware industry Valve are a lot further down the chain than the bigger names, they aren’t securing super long term contracts with anyone. They don’t dictate terms. I doubt they are making a ton of money on any of their hardware, they are just trying to nudge the market in the right direction. We are going to see so many knock off steam machines in the next few years, Microsoft will keep releasing targetted versions of Windows to try to smother SteamOS, its a great time for the rest of the gaming ecosystem while AI fucks the hardware side.

Once the US economy craters into the recession it should by all rights currently be working through… Oh I am sure at that point there will be all sorts of companies dumping all sorts of things into every market they can to try to survive.

The AI bubble bursting will fuck the world in ways that will take decades to unfuck. If sanity was even slightly fashionable right now governments around the world, especially the US would be using every power they had to put some limits on this whole mess. Regulation, taxation, environmental controls everything would be on the table.

Instead we seem to be racing at the wall as fast as we can with NVidia and co in the driving seat, and governments around the world in the passenger seat screaming “Go! Go! Go!”

That’s OK though, economic turmoil is felt by the individual based on their starting wealth. The rich often manage to become wealthier, it’s the poor who get buried. Yay capitalism.

What I am curious about is why this should be a negative for anyone, devs who want to use AI get an easy way to filter out the people who will kick back against it, the people who will kick back against it get a quieter existence, Lemmy should be happy.

I keep seeing how having to categorise will provide a perverse incentive to not disclose and I guess I don’t understand why that would be the case.

It’s not like they are tricking people into buying these free programs, it’s not like they are soliciting contributions from other devs (they have an AI for that), and its not like there is some sort of score being kept (besides earning some sort of credibility on Github as a pro-AI developer through that star thing I guess).

So what would be the motivation to try to trick the community into embracing these sorts of projects? Open and enthusiastic disclosure and a community push to simply move on if you find that style of development distasteful would work better for everyone.

I have walked away from using a project that was developed with AI and I didn’t feel the need to slam the developer for it, I just moved on. They didn’t betray my trust because they don’t owe me anything, and I didn’t unfairly judge their work because I don’t owe them anything. Everyone’s a winner.

But that’s just my humble opinion.

Its hard to believe it’s been a whole eight hours on Lemmy for you Serena… Since your account will be gone when I wake up tomorrow, “Welcome!” and “Goodbye.” You won’t be missed.

I wasn’t actually going to say anything about this but it might be received ok (or at least balanced considering how much I despise the spicy auto-correct).

I looked at your App and it looked like it had potential, I even asked a question that apparently led to a change in how onboarding works.

However I prefer not to use LLM generated code. Especially not when it’s for something that will no doubt entail years of use. But my qualms and scruples are not your problem so I just shut my mouth and moved on. You’re building this, it’s to scratch your itch and you get to call the shots.

Me being uncomfortable with how you do it is immaterial, as a user I can and have made the choice to seek other solutions and so downvoting or trash talking you would be petty at best.

I hope as a community we can start to just say “No thank you” when we are offered something that’s done in a way we don’t like, after all, we have the opportunity to do it differently and make “No LLMs” a key part of our projects, anyone who is not doing that needs to analyse why they feel entitled to shit on someone else’s project.

At least that’s my $0.05.

I set up Opencloud to give it a try, set up to sync my photo folder from my phone, meaning to just spin it up and then delete it. I then got called out of the house on an errand and forgot all about it until 4 weeks later when I redid my WireGuard settings. While the tunnel was failing to connect I got complaints about it not being able to find the server, I knew I had fixed it once it stopped popping error messages at me. Just checked and there is 1.3gb of photos in there I never noticed it syncing. It was a bit of a nuisance to get going but seems to just run as a spot to throw a bunch of files and access them on the go. At least based on my accidental 4 week impact assessment.

Cool, and you offer a well documented and open source Conversion platform to run on our own servers I assume? That is after all why you would advertise to the Self Hosting community. If not can I suggest that you, meaning alphaeBook management sit down with whatever marketing drone suggested this as a good idea for advertising, and calmly and gently advise them that they have perhaps reached too far. Their aspirations, while understandable, have outstripped their capability. Then have them take on a role they are more capable of. Do start ups like yours have a mailroom to allow the gentle re-education of such wayward, uh, intelligences?

I imagine there are Caddy GUIs, I just don’t find them necessary. The last service I added was the work of 20 seconds to add, I did it while waiting for the Docker pull to complete. I’m not sure a GUI would make that significantly faster/easier. But your mileage may vary. Especially in the initial setup phase.

I have generally been happy with Proxmox to increase the versatility of my setup. It’s so liberating to be able to spin up a simple VM and test something out before commiting to changes. I also have a small old machine that just chugs away with a VM for hosting a couple of containers and only gets updated every few months so its not like it’s only useful for ephemeral stuff.

OPNSense, I use the Asus router it replaced in AP mode, but I do want to ditch that. Strongly considering sitting a couple of Unifi APs up in the field cavity (renter so no drilling holes for me). I have 2 cat6 lines I was able to get run from the garage to the living room (some numpty thought the connection box for the internet should be in the middle of the wall in the lounge room so have to have the cables) so I can get up there, cut and terminate one of the lines and add a switch with POE.

Honestly OPNSense has been fun, but I barely scratch a quarter of its capability. I could and probably should just use the Asus router as a router.

Oh don’t get me wrong I barely scratch the surface of what Authentik can do… It stuck for me because I could ignore the complexity and it was functional with what I know. Especially how easy it has been to onboard users and add new services, especially with regards to SSO(I initially used it just as Auth to replace HTTP Basic).

I will definitely look at kanidm though. I haven’t made a change to the core operation of my setup in a year or so, might be time to give in to the itch.

I found Authentik was the one that stuck for me, Authelia was always a bit brittle. Using Caddy due to a mix of Docker and LXC containers making Traefik seem like a bit too much trouble. I used to use NPM but that was a bit of a pain to get working at one stage and Caddy was the interim solution that hung on. I miss being able to manage reverse proxy via GUI. But for how often I need to map new services 5 lines in a config file to use the wildcard I already have is really no stress.

I haven’t dug any deeper but Proxmox keeps killing my router VM due to OOM at the moment which is a bit of a pain and every time I think I have it sorted it crops back up, only been doing it since the update from V8 to V9. I’m almost at the point where I just scrap Proxmox and run OPNSense bare metal, but it always seems like such a waste to have an N300 box with 16GB of ram and 1 tb SSD driving a small network, 20ish devices and a dozen or so VMs and containerised services doesn’t really stress that hardware.

I initially started virtualising to get around periodic resets of the i226 network cards on my router box. Was kinda wild that virtualising and using Virtio was so much more stable and consequently faster than running on bare metal. Wonder if that’s changed since then.

OK, cool. I hope everything goes well for you with the project.

Hey,

Like the look of the app so far. I will be spinning up a local server when I am not coming off a morning shift, and see if I can get a pass on the WAF.

Just a quick question, being in Australia the bulk of our food metrics are in kilojoules, I have selected this as the default energy measure however there are a few areas where I am still getting calories presented.

For example in the Diary I am getting kcals on both the food and the summary. I imagine you do everything in calories and this just slipped past but wondering if I missed a setting?

Also I had a quick scan and like that the AI integrations are optional but I was unclear if AI was used to code the project, do you have a position on that?

On the whole I am liking what I see so far.

I almost wish I hadn’t started using FBReader. It’s ruined me for everything else.

Everytime I try a different reading app it just feels wrong.

That’s going to be a hard one to provide definitive answers on. Anecdotally though I saw it with my younger brothers, I saw it with my kids, I have seen it with my friends kids. I am convinced enough, but I will be swayed if someone with the right research and peer reviewed science can make a compelling case. If I had all that I would be presenting my thesis as a best selling book on behavioural psychology, finding a university that would offer me tenure and relaxing into a cushy life of academic celebrity, not posting on Lemmy.

I have played around with a bunch of tools at a self hosted level. The big thing I found puts inherent brakes on the process is the technical capability to actual use them, when I played around with ESRGAN to upscale images I was limited in application by time and equipment, I achieved better results than I could have on my own, markedly worse results than if I had the technical ability and equipment to just reshoot the images with better resolution.

I tried some photogrammetry, similar outcomes. I could have done better by being better with Blender. NERFs as well.

What we have is people yelling “Monorail! Monorail!” And using free credits or buying them.

The industry is already losing obscene amounts of money and the actual use cost is still entirely obscured from the general public. Once enough of the world is hooked on using LLMs for everything we are going to see the true costs emerge, then it will be another iteration of the haves and the have nots, society as a whole cannot afford to make LLM usage profitable, where does that get us?

I think you are forgetting that Niantic made a lot of money off Pokémon GO, not ALL the money, ergo its an abject failure under capitalism and they need to pump up those numbers.

If they had been making ALL the money they might have been satisfied, for a quarter. Then they would have packaged and sold all that data for more than ALL the money.

I’d love to be wrong, but I feel like we are wired in certain ways by the evolutionary process we are the product of. I think the nurture comes in to play with regards to overcoming some of those baser instincts and drives. Anyone who has raised boys can tell you that for most boys they go through phases of being overly aggressive and or violent, that can often be redirected into better ways of getting that out. Can’t speak for girls or people on the intersection due to lack of first hand experience and want to reiterate that I am fully aware that my anecdotes are not universal and everyone falls into a range of behaviours. I feel like what we lack is an elder species we can look up to and emulate, so we are going to need to figure it out for ourselves. I like to think we have the ability, here’s hoping.

Your looking at this in a fundamentally different way, you seem to think it’s like electricity or indoor plumbing, where it’s primarily a benefit and enabler of further growth in society.

I see it like asbestos, or to borrow another posters example radium. A technology that has super narrow ETHICAL applications, but since we have elected to make it the only economic force that is driving large swathes of the world’s markets, we are in the jam it into everything and see how it works out phase. Humanity keeps on making this one fundamental mistake and because we haven’t completely collapsed society and killed ourselves en masse yet we keep on doing it thinking “this time it will turn out differently”.

I am trying to convey that this is a poison whose LD50 is microscopic, why do we as a society all have to experiment with dosing ourselves to find out how much we can take before it corrodes us to death?

It’s already taking a bite out of the computing landscape, it’s damaging the environment, its increasing the wealth disparity, its causing actual fatalities and its destroying the ability of people at large to think and retain information. Software development is probably one of the strongest cases for LLM usage, so please tell me how many untrustworthy browsers do we need to offset the above mentioned costs?

If we had focussed a similar level of effort, and money, into transitioning away from fossile fuel based energy grids as we have on this nonsense the world would be in a better place, but it doesn’t allow for the malignant growth of wealth to the 0.01% percent so it could never happen. Please make me understand why this is a good thing?

But they aren’t distinct things, they are both heads of the same capitalism hydra. How much of the training data for these LLMs has been harvested directly from Social Media? I sure as shit don’t know and I would argue nor do many other people.

Radium is probably a good analogy actually. Thank you. It’s toxic in almost every application we can imagine, it’s got a legacy that extends out to the current day, it formed a massive economic block, and it turns out it should only ever have been used under the strictest controls. We should never have had “entrepreneurs” being the driving force behind it.

It should have ALWAYS been a controlled substance that required people who understood and respected how fucking dangerous it is. Instead we are intent on jamming LLMs into every aspect of life regardless of how badly we suspect and/or know it will fuck everything up.

The problems are human nature, capitalism and greed. Doesn’t mean we have to give in, and frankly all the appeasers out there that keep saying “You have to use it or you will be left behind.” are effectively the drug pusher in the locker room telling the insecure young man “Oh yeah everyone else is juicing, you don’t do it you won’t be able to compete.”

Nobody believes the drug dealers are handing out drugs because they are humanitarians, they have a financial interest in destroying that kids life while he tries to justify it to himself.

We know LLMs are harmful on SO many different levels, but the US economy would literally collapse if people acknowledged that and stopped supporting them. So we race headlong towards societal collapse to keep the plates spinning. Sam Altman, Jensen Huang, Elon Musk, and so many others should all be tried for genocide and crimes against humanity once the collapse occurs. The sooner our societies start stringing these monsters up rather than celebrating them the more hope we have as a species.