They warned you: Someone allegedly used a politician’s cloned voice to interfere with an election | It will most assuredly not be the last time this happens::undefined

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    “Interfere” with a primary election…

    The DNC is very open about how primaries aren’t real elections and they don’t have to follow results.

    And they already took all of NH delegates away because the Republicans who control the state house, Senate, and governorship wouldn’t change the state law that says NH is the first primary…

    So yes, the deep fake is concerning for democracy.

    But not as much as the DNC taking the delegates away from an entire state because Republicans wouldn’t listen to the DNC.

    Especially since party favorite moderates have came in last in the last two NH primaries and the most progressive candidates came in first.

    Imagine if Trump and the RNC did this in a state that routinely votes for a more progressive candidate in their primary…

    We’d all (rightfully) be talking about the end of American democracy.

    But when the DNC does it, it’s frightening how many moderates defend it because it’s good for moderates.

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      10 months ago

      Yeah dude, it’s not the actual fascists that are going to cause the end of our democracy. Let’s keep blaming Democrats for shit that the GOP is doing.

      • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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        10 months ago

        When your options are:

        1. Full blown fascism

        2. Occasionally fascism and not fighting the other sides fascism

        A lot more than the 1/3 that don’t normally vote are likely going to not vote in the current election

        That is a reality.

        And the reality is if there’s depressed turnout, Republicans win.

        Pointing it out that it’s likely to happen won’t make it happen.

        Getting mad at someone for pointing it out is the same as burning a medicine woman as a witch because she said someone was going to die of their illness and then they died.

        Or blaming a meteorologist for the snow storm they predicted.

        It doesn’t make any rational sense. And you should be happy someone is trying to warn you, instead of getting mad and telling them if they don’t mention the issues, they’ll go away.

        Get mad at the reason for it. In this case, Bidens actions.

        If you have a better plan for getting Biden to stop doing all this stupid shit that hurts his chances and help trump besides complaining about it…

        Well, I’m all ears.

        Because as bad as Biden is, trump is far more dangerous

    • gedaliyah@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Not to minimize the 2016 or 2020 elections, which a lot of sources say there was not a level playing field in the DNC, but this year there is an incumbent president. This is how incumbent presidents are always treated. It’s normal and fair and strategically sound.

      The same thing happened when Donald Trump was incumbent and nobody made a fuss.

      Edit for clarity:

      normal - The incumbent candidate has preferential treatment within the party in every election cycle. There are various ways that this manifests, and is usually different depending on the exact circumstances. If one chose, they could drill down into specific details to make it seem exceptional e.g. “It’s never been done in with this specific mechanism or in this particular state.”

      fair - If you want access to preferential treatment, become President. The President is the figurehead not only of the country, but arguably even more so of their party. It would be unfair for the party leadership to undermine them while in office.

      strategically sound - Incumbent candidates win elections. There is something like a 65% advantage to incumbency. Moreover, a party has limited political, social, and financial capital. If they spend that capital in the primary race, then they start the general election at a disadvantage. There is evidence (and common wisdom) that a primary race actually generates more capital, but I’ve never heard any credible suggestion that it could be a net gain in any area. Running a primary means a less unified party, less financial resources, less voter confidence in the victor.

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        10 months ago

        This is how incumbent presidents are always treated. It’s normal and fair and strategically sound.

        Really?

        I never heard of any party stripping a state of their primary delegates because of something completely out of control of the state party… Especially when it’s a state that routinely votes against the party favorite.

        Can you let me know some other times this happened?

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          10 months ago

          In every election, the incumbent is given preferential treatment and generally treated as the de facto candidate. In which election are you thinking of that this was not the case?

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            10 months ago

            Sure…

            But when has the national party taken a state’s delegates away?

            Ideally for something outside of the states party control, because that’s what just happened. And for a state that routinely votes against the national party’s chosen candidate.

            But I’ll take any recent examples of a state losing their primary delegates because the national party yanked them away.

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              10 months ago

              Welp, I guess I was right and this is totally unprecedented in modern American politics…

              Still don’t understand why so many people are ok with this tho