And still refuse to address the core issue, which is the lack of moderation and policing of content creating the essential need for adblockers in the first place.

You are voluntarily consuming content that the content creators agreed to have the ads for. You can just not consume that content.

Why won’t they think of the content creators?

For the upteenth time, they probably are thinking of them because the content creators agreed to have them as a revenue stream.

You’re acting like content creators are completely removed from this. guess who pays them? generally speaking, not you. It’s the big bad ad companies. Why? BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT.

Especially in a world where far better alternatives (like merch and patreon type sites) exists to give them money, directly, without having to deal with advertising hellscapes.

Great! Consume your content from those places! I’m in the patreons for a few podcasts myself for the ad-free versions.

Be smart, use an ad blocker for your sanity, but at least acknowledge that you are likely at least a tiny bit cutting into a revenue stream that the creators utilize. Again, no guilt trip here, I’ve ran pi hole instances myself. In fact some folks definitely encourage their base to use ad blockers on their content, I believe Louis Rossman is one of them. But I don’t delude myself into thinking this is their fault. That is truly some “LOOK AT WHAT YOU MADE ME DO!” reasoning.

After all of this, do you see why it can be comparable to piracy? Because content creators agreed to have it as part of their revenue stream to be served alongside the content, so having it blocked cuts into that revenue stream.

I’m not asking you to change behaviors. It just feels like I’m talking to a wall. Do you disagree with anything the previous paragraph?

After all of this, do you see why it can be comparable to piracy? Because content creators agreed to have it as part of their revenue stream to be served alongside the content, so having it blocked cuts into that revenue stream.

EDIT: so optimistically, it takes two parties to have poor communication. So I’m going to try and clear things up.

I am NOT arguing that users have to be subjected to ads.

I am arguing that content providers serve ads as a revenue stream, and blocking that cuts into that revenue stream. Boo hoo, I’ll do it anyways and probably support them in other ways, like subscribing to them, buying their merch, sharing their articles or songs, etc.

But I’m saying I understand why, from a content provider/creators standpoint, being deprived of that revenue stream that I intended to be served alongside my content, is comparable to piracy. Because as the content creator I agreed to financially benefit from ads being served alongside my content, and instead content is being consumed without that financial kickback.

You’re missing my point - the creators of the content you voluntarily consume have an agreement with advertising companies, under which they get financial compensation when people view the ads.

Therefore, when you use an ad blocker, you are depriving them of that expected financial compensation.

This is why it can be comparable to piracy. You are voluntarily consuming content while depriving the content creators of an intended revenue stream.

Do you have any criticism against that line of reasoning, or are you just going to try and criticize me instead?

Do you agree that “What the advertising companies have done” was in agreement with the providers of the content you’re consuming?

Meaning, the providers of the content you’re consuming intended for the advertising to be a revenue stream?

Meaning it’s not “the big bad advertisers” - it’s really the providers of the content you’re voluntarily consuming who you’re trying to frame as the bad guys?

You…really don’t have to.

Again, I’m all for ad blockers, I use Firefox, I’ve ran my own pihole instance, etc.

I’m just going to be frank, you’re being a little melodramatic. Do you just get vaporized when you use someone else’s computer and an ad blocker isn’t installed? Likely not.

Ironically, by framing what is just a quality of life thing as a mandatory reaction to content providers actions, it sounds like you’re the one trying to shift blame onto them. Your entire argument has very strong “LOOK AT WHAT YOU MADE ME DO” energy.

All I’m saying is call a spade a spade. I acknowledge that by using an ad blocker, I’m economically negatively affecting the content provider. I’m okay with that. On some websites I’ll disable the ad blocker, if it’s one I use a lot with reasonable constraints.

To tack onto your list, ad blocking also deprives a source from an intended revenue stream associated with the content, which is probably why it’s being compared to piracy.

I’m all on board with ad blockers, let’s just at least acknowledge the economic reality surrounding their use.

Is the browsers website (not GitHub) 404-ing for anyone else?

Hello hello! Welcome!

iPhones were released in 2007, so in 2008 smartphones hadn’t really taken off yet. We old.

When conservative media pushes the same news script to over 200 local news stations across the nation, it is dangerous to our democracy.

effectively require a dedicated purchase. Rather than giving the kid yoru old motorola you kept in the drawer.

Ah right, because smartphones don’t need to be purchased

“just put your social here…”

Freetaxusa does them for like 20 bucks

Maybe it says something that China limits access to their kids

In 2019, Douyin limited users in teenager mode to 40 minutes per day, accessible only between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. Then, in 2021, it made the use of teenager mode mandatory for users under 14.

Seems like a bit of a digital smallpox blanket.

Used my credit to buy my mom a new phone.

Google did a solid in this case.

This is why I’ve been holding off on getting one myself. I know murena sells the phone in the US, but last I checked they didn’t sell parts, so there’s no point in a repairable phone if I can’t get parts.

Yeah, but given that this is the fair phone 5, they at least get partial credit in my book

cries in flat roof and slab foundation

Yup - as someone else pointed out I wasn’t clear in what I said. If you buy a new mobo to upgrade your laptop, you wind up with an older mobo that sits there. You can then actually use the old mobo as a desktop computer as long as it has ram and an SSD. The form factor and IO were designed with this functionality in mind.

If you upgrade the motherboard, you can actually 3d print or buy a $60 case and use the old motherboard as a desktop.

edited for clarity

I have said literally nothing about ethics.

You used a technical assertion in your argument. Out of curiosity, I wanted to learn more and asked you for sources.

You can neither prove nor are you capable of discussing said technical assertion. I am now going to leave the conversation. Seeing as you can’t prove or even discuss it, I’d hope you avoid using it in the future, or at least learn more about it.