Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.

Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”

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Install guide: Trollstore

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      My rationale is this: apple users love spending money, so they can go ahead and spend it.

      Fuck’em.

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        I’m an Apple laptop user with a Linux server. I love Linux and have thought about switching many times, but I don’t for the following reasons:

        My Apple computers have lasted me twice as long as any other brand I’ve owned, and they don’t really die—they just get so old that I want a new one.

        I never have to worry about incompatible hardware at any time, nor do I have to check for compatibility before upgrading my OS.

        They never charge for a new OS, all of their basic software is free, and in some cases better than Microsoft Office.

        Whatever product I use from them, it is definitely going to feel high quality.

        The screens are always really nice, and everything is guaranteed to look crisp and clear.

        They cost more money, but it isn’t like they give you nothing for it. If Linux isn’t a great option for some reason, an Apple device is going to be much less exploitative with advertising and spyware than Windows is.

        I understand where the hate comes from, but I wish some Apple haters would back up for a minute and realize that there are power users who have perfectly good reasons to like that hardware.

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            Amen to that.

            I’m yet to find a single thing I need to do on my phone that required a side loaded app too. I’m sure there are cases, and I am glad the option exists, but it isn’t like people with a normal iPhone are completely shackled.

            I think a lot of power users out there would be pleasantly surprised if they took another look at Apple with a more open mind.

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          True that. If people actually cared we would see better things in the world for example - Firefox dominating the market. Now I don’t care if people use Brave/Samsung/Chrome/Vivaldi/Edge but the fact that they may all lead to Google dictating the Open Web sucks.

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            I love that you bring up web browsers as an example while saying that Apple users don’t care enough about the technological landscape. Safari is the leading competitor to chrome! Without those Apple users sticking to the browser they know on the system you ridicule, the problem you’ve identified would be worse.

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    For the hate-cult members circle-jerking over imaginary arguments with “fan boys” here. Actual Apple users either completely agree with the criticism, or simply don’t even care.

    Feel free to hate on Apple the company, but stop trying so hard to make this place a home for baseless toxicity.

    Edit: And just to drive home how pathetic this is, here’s a link to an article posted elsewhere in the fediverse about Google being shady af. Go look through those comments for a single soul saying anything about “Google/Android fanboys”.

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      What is this gaslighting you’re trying to pull here? You’re really going to pretend that Apple fanboys don’t exist and instead start criticising some sort of perceived toxicity from a “hate cult” against Apple? That’s before you get into some bizarre Google strawman. The reality is that these Apple fanboys with values antithetical to software freedom exist, and want walled gardens everywhere.

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        What purpose would there be in gaslighting something like this out of nowhere? Genuine question.
        If you want to see examples of baseless vitriol directed at apple users, just keep reading the rest of the replies to OP’s post.

        The reality is that these Apple fanboys with values antithetical to software freedom exist,

        Sure, just like anywhere else. You can’t point your finger exclusively at the apple camp for that.

        and want walled gardens everywhere.

        Speaking of staw men…
        Some apple users prefer apple’s walled garden, sure, but they’re not going around saying Google, Windows or Linux must be walled as well.

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          What purpose would there be in gaslighting something like this out of nowhere? Genuine question.

          Most people, including myself, prefer their own version of reality. You are promoting a version of reality that I do not find tasteful at all. With conflicting realities, meaningful disagreement is impossible and the only thing I can do is question the narratives that oppose my own.

          More generally, ego also plays a huge part in why people do this. Apple has a significant following that will defend its every decision. It’s brand has become personal identity for a lot of people. To the extent where I’ve been seeing news articles over the past two years about teenagers being bullied for using Android. This also happens to be the reason why people point their finger at Apple; because Apple users are the main group with such a distinct identity.

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    I fucking hate Apple with a passion.

    Edit: many people seem to be a bit confused. I don’t own any apple garbage, and never will. I’ve only had an iPhone back in 2016 for a little while then replaced that shit with a pixel 6p. I don’t buy shit that makes my life difficult.

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      Why? What have they done to you? If you don’t like their products, simply don’t buy them.

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        It’s not that simple.

        Blue chat boxes affect everyone. RCS is a stepping stone but my daughter wouldn’t be caught dead with a green chat box. Tell me how that isn’t Apple using their dominance to prevent other players?

        FaceTime (which they PROMISED to open up but never did) affects everyone.

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          Blue chat boxes affect everyone

          How do they affect you if you don’t even have an iPhone? You’ll never see those blue bubbles.

          Besides, the defacto standard for chat apps is WhatsApp, hardly anyone uses iMessage anyway.

          FaceTime (which they PROMISED to open up but never did) affects everyone.

          This was due to a patent lawsuit. Blame VirnetX, not Apple.

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            If you are in a peer group of teens where 70% have iPhones the lack of decent interoperability with Android affects the 30% that can’t be part of the conversations.

            It is not true that WhatsApp is the defacto standard everywhere. Might be true for you but large pockets where that ain’t true.

            I am blaming VirnetX but we both know it could be solved if Apple wanted to solve it.

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          sounds like your daughter is a typical sheep - perhaps THAT’S the issue you ought to try having an issue with rather than a company doing normal business.

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        Apple has made a lot of anti-consumer decisions. And since Apple is a big market force, other companies follow suite when they pull off shit like that. There is a legitimate reason to not like Apple.

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    Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.

    Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”

    Apple has an annual legal budget of approximately infinity dollars. I assure you they are aware of this and they believe they are in compliance, even if just barely.

    If challenged, they will have no problem fighting it — they have nearly as much cash on hand as the entire EU budget.

    I hope the EU challenges this, and I hope the EU wins, but Apple isn’t going to be surprised by whatever happens.

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      There’s the letter and there’s the spirit of the law. Even if Apple has found a brilliant loophole the courts can just say well it’s technically true but you’re still breaking the law nonetheless, lawyer budget be damned.

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        The EU court is a Roman court, not an Anglo Saxon court. The spirit of the law is what matters, not the technicalities.

        Second, the EU can change the laws that create the outcome they don’t like. By the people, for the people. Apple will play within the EU’s rules or Apple won’t play in the EU.