I fucked with the title a bit. What i linked to was actually a mastodon post linking to an actual thing. but in my defense, i found it because cory doctorow boosted it, so, in a way, i am providing the original source here.

please argue. please do not remove.

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    Selling an AI model (or usage of that model) that allows for producing works that are clearly based upon those copyrighted works and would be considered copyright infringement if a person did the same thing is not fair use.

    If a person creating the same thing as generative AI would be infringing, then it isn’t magically not infringing because it is on the internet or done by a program. Basically, AI needs to follow the same rules and restrictions as a person would. That does mean that the AI also needs to be trained to not create copyright infringing works if the use of the AI is being sold.

    As a downloadable model that anyone can use at no cost? Sure, whatever is fine. Then it is on the person who uses it and tries to infringe. But if someone pays a company to use their AI to create infringing work, that is on the company and they are just as at fault as if they sold T shirts that infringed on copyright.

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      10 months ago

      if someone pays a company to use their AI to create infringing work, that is on the company and they are just as at fault as if they sold T shirts that infringed on copyright.

      wrong.

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      10 months ago

      That does mean that the AI also needs to be trained to not create copyright infringing works if the use of the AI is being sold.

      no it doesn’t.

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      10 months ago

      Selling an AI model (or usage of that model) that allows for producing works that are clearly based upon those copyrighted works and would be considered copyright infringement if a person did the same thing is not fair use

      it is.

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        I think you might want to elaborate

        instead of making 4 replies in 3 minutes
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          10 months ago

          instead of making 4 replies in 3 minutes

          each averaging

          2.75 words

          this is irrelevant to the truth of my claim.

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          10 months ago

          I don’t see how selling a model or the use of a model infringes on a specific copyright. whose copyright has been infringed? how can you prove that? take AI out of the question. if you wanted to prove that some other author has infringed the copyright on your novel, how would you do that? if you want to prove that some quote unquote artist has infringed on your copyright, how would you do that? if any of your methods for proving that a person has infringed on your copyright is applicable to an AI, then that’s what that is. but if you can’t prove it, if the AI just learned about how style works, if an AI just saw your work but never actually copied it, then it’s not infringing.

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      10 months ago

      If a person creating the same thing as generative AI would be infringing, then it isn’t magically not infringing because it is on the internet or done by a program

      no one is arguing otherwise.