I would assume that Anthropic’s stance is mostly performative. But while people are in boycotting mood they could solve the surveillance problem by quitting ALL big tech products. Here’s our site that lists all the ethical, non-spyware alternatives:
https://www.rebeltechalliance.org/stopusingbigtech.html
(Please share with your friends and family - we have zero marketing budget - thank you!)
This site is amazing! Simple and very informative and I really liked the privacy policy last sentence.
Thank you! Any ideas you have about how we can get the word out are very welcome…
“You’re absolutely right! That was a children’s hospital, not a military base. Let’s try that again!”
Actually it’s so they have plausible deniability if they “accidentally” kill a bunch of people that just so happens to be a group they openly despise.
I think that’s way way worse but
Yeah instead of arguing over whether Anthropic is actually good, let’s unite around “fuck OpenAI.”
From OpenAI’s statement:
We have three main red lines that guide our work with the DoW, which are generally shared by several other frontier labs:
• No use of OpenAI technology for mass domestic surveillance.
• No use of OpenAI technology to direct autonomous weapons systems.
• No use of OpenAI technology for high-stakes automated decisions (e.g. systems such as “social credit”).
It specifically states their AI can’t/won’t be used for surveillance and autonomous weapons. Of course I’m not saying I trust them, but isn’t this the same thing Anthropic says they’re against? What’s the difference here or what did I miss?
the ‘no domestic surveillance’ is just language that mirrors some limitations (from their pov) from the patriot act. They’re still willing to surveil people outside the USA, and in fact all they have to do is route domestic traffic through an international part of a network and they can legally spy on domestic americans which is what already happens.
Anthropic put clauses in that were legally enforceable by future administrations. OpenAI says “yea we totally trust you bro”
Sam Altman is the king of the trust me bro and than backpedaling on it.
Dude the only guardrails are
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No fully automated killings
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No mass surveillance
You could literally do anything else, you could automate killing people with a person approving.
Trump booted anthropic because they couldn’t lift these two guardrails. Fuck me
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Just the little push I needed to close my ChatGPT account
Same! Was planning on doing this today.
What do you plan to switch to? I’m currently thinking a combination of Claude and something else for images if it turns out I really need to pay for it.
I use ppq.ai , which lets yo chose which llm/service you need, and then you are charged per query. It has all the latest models for imaging, text, video. Etc. So you get to use the one that fits the task best, and no need to pay for a membership. Which is way cheaper if you don’t have professional use of heavy models, imo. It allows allows privacy payments (monero and such. I dont have that, just mentioning it is possible :)).
Since this article, Anthropic’s Claude AI app has claimed the #1 top spot over ChatGPT on both Android and iOS.
which is weird because they are not any good either
I bought Claude premium. I’m not rich enough for $28 CAD a month tho so im only doing one month lol
I’m wondering if this is a play for a future bailout. OpenAI knows they are fucked; and instead of just going away like most companies do when they fail, they are embedding themselves in the government to secure a bailout under the guise of a critical defence vendor.
Furthermore, I’m not convinced the researchers and critical personnel will work for a company that does this. I think we’re about to see the biggest jumping of a ship so far in the industry.
That makes a lot of sense
Now imagine my shock when I had done the swap from ChatGPT to Claude the day before the news about Anthropic’s (now backpedalled) deal. Anyway, I deleted ChatGPT and Gemini accounts and degoogled my life while I was at it.
Canada recently has had its 2nd worst school shooting ever. The killer had many interactions with ChatGPT that warranted banning her account. A whistleblower has claimed that they wanted to inform Canada’s police force of these comments but were denied by ChatGPT’s management.
They had a chance to stop the death of 8 people, most of which were young children, but failed to do anything.
FUCK CHATGPT AND THOSE BASTARDS THAT RUN IT
Why would you not contact police? I understand that this is a systemic failure and blame does not lie with that employee but if others me I’d rather be out of a job than have those deaths on my conscience for the rest of my life.
It’s probabilities. If you report it you’re 100% out of a job but only maybe prevented something bad from happening. If you don’t report, you keep your job but maybesomething bad happens. Reliance on a job for survival shifts the decision even further to taking the course of action that’ll keep you your job.
That’s a great answer to my question, thanks!
I don’t see how it’s certain loss of job when you could whistleblow without revealing your identity.
In my eyes some blame does lie with them. A systematic failure is a failure of many parts. An employee taking notice and following bad instructions is one of them.
I don’t know what information they had, but if they were at the point of intending to share, it seems like whistleblowing would have been the just and moral thing to do even if it means ignoring immediate authoritative structure.
You should also stop using Google products for similar reasons.
Mass surveillance for advertising seems marginally more benign than mass surveillance by one’s own government, personally. Though admittedly both are bad.
Edit: I can find alternatives for most of Google’s ecosystem but mapping out accurate bus routes is terrible via OSM/OsmAnd or Organic Maps. Anyone have any tips there?
The mission statement is irrelevant when the outcome is the same. Google has data a hostile power wants and gives it to them whenever they want.
Sure but our representatives should be held to a higher standard.
That requires voters willing to do that. That is the fault of the voter.
Mass surveillance for advertising is just gross. I remember a comedian making a joke saying that ‘anyone here in advertising? Please kill yourself!’ Also just because someone got all the info on your for advertising, it doesn’t mean the government won’t get access to it, because right now 4th amendment and other traditional restrictions on government overreach are moot if all they need to do is buy the data from some broker on you. This has actually happened and it was upheld in court.
The precedent for stuff like that is older than you think, but also not what you think. For example some serial killers and serial bank robbers were caught because some homeless person searched through their trash looking for something they can use, eat, or sell (all of these things are legal to do BTW) and they discover things like body parts, firearms, or brand new clothes that also fit the clothes that said criminal was wearing when they did their crimes, and said homeless people reported this to the police.
But I am quite confident that someone who just so happens to stumble upon something vs. a company watching your every move are two very different things.
I just got grapheneOS on my new phone (it is a google pixel 10, but it is the one that can handle that…) I needed a client to use my gmail which will probably be the last thing I get rid of.
Are they shipping Graphene for the 10 now?
I tried to do it in the more advanced way, but I had never done anything like that before and I consider myself moderately technical. I used a simpler bootloader to get Frankel (the latest grapheneOS for Pixel 10. I have a basic Pixel 10, not the pro or fold) installed. I was apprehensive, but it seemed to go on fine. I am able to sandbox any google shit I do need (and it isn’t much) and I was able to get whatsapp with my old shit on it because my family is still using it for reasons. I am using K-9 as an email client for my gmail, which does help (or so I was told) limit the amount of information google gets on my usage when I check my email.
Are you replying to me?
I am using k-9 mail as a client.
If it’s the sending and receiving part of email, I’ve switched to purelymail (you could pick another) and put it behind my custom domain name. Because behind a custom domain, that’s the last time you’ll have to update your contacts as it won’t be dependent on which email provider you choose.
Searching through decades of old emails I do still use the Gmail account, but I just have to get off my butt to self host a local IMAP server for that.
Did they make contracts with them?
They have multiple contracts in the military sector.
For example: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/google-wins-200m-contract-with-us-department-of-defense/
Wait I’m confused. Sam Altman is OpenAI right? And he says the DoW agreed to work with them but with the same prohibitions that Anthropic wanted?
Or have never used their crap, ever.
No, I don’t think this is correct. There was a time during which Google did great things. Their search engine allowed millions if not billions to gain access to knowledge. They had a positive impact on a lot of FOSS projects. What they were is not what they are.
The tell was getting rid of “don’t be evil” as their motto. Even for a corporation that was a little on the nose.
the bad things started earlier. I remember when people were criticizing it
Agreed. They even refused to extend their services to China because of censure. But that was before, after change of CEO, enshittification started.
They went from standing with Anthropic to throwing them under the bus real fast
About half a day.
They probably have been working on a potential agreement with openai for a while now. They just hastily finished it in response to anthropic. But I don’t know if they will keep the red lines anthropic has demanded in place
They won’t.
The red line is the amount of cash they are ready to compromise for.
$$$
Which they badly need, they are in an incredibly risky position right now. It’s very disappointing, this deal might save them from collapse for quite a while.
The only disappointment, is that Altmans head is still attached to his shoulders.
Altman is a symptom, not the problem. The problem is capitalism.
That’s very true; I still would love to see him guillotined.
Yeah but its interesting that all of these big tech guys are so creepy. Altman, Musk, Zuckerberg… Do they grow them in labs?
Capitalism rewards sociopathy to a great degree. The less you care about fellow humans, the more you are willing to exploit them.
No, no, even if we get that wish I dont want the US state propping up AI longer
It was always about the money.
Amazon, gemini, perplexity are also in the us goverment baby bottle nipples.
Sam Altman is objectively a bad human being.
Sam Altman is just some fail upward money guy, he’s been eventually removed from basically every prior position he has held.
The more I learn about this guy, the more amazed I am that his staffers stood up for him when he got fired. I guess they just hated the board more.
Seems like his career has largely been lying and making impossible promises, so. The folks who do that well always manage to exit the stage before the magic tincture is revealed to just be piss 🤷♂️
That doesn’t mean he can’t also be an objectively bad human being
he did meet his future husband through one “THIELS party”, most likely his other protege.
mainstream
I’ll believe that when my sisters start saying this. Till then, it’s just us privacy fans screaming in a dark cave, enjoying the echo.
It’s always like this. We get a ton of articles on how everyone is suddenly boycotting/deleting [insert thing] but when you ask someone in real life, they usually have no idea what you’re talking about.
so explain it to them gently. you won’t reach everyone, but you’ll reach more people than accepting this status quo
whoosh
Nah
Yah
The one thing I will say is that there does seem to be a generalized dislike for AI that has all the investors and upper management types nervous. Even by their own studies do people generally either not care about AI in their products or actively dislike it/find it intrusive. There was a study by a phone company from this past summer or fall that concluded that 80% of their users had no interest in AI or found that it actively made their experience worse, and there have been plenty of pretty damning reports about how useful it’s been in various industries (just look at Microslop). That is not conducive to convincing investors to fund your product and does not show a viable path to making a profit in the future.
We’ve seen similar things happening recently with car manufacturers walking back on their big touchscreens (with some help from regulation in civilized places that care about things like “pedestrian fatalities” - like Europe) due to consumer sentiment. They tried for nearly a decade to push bigger and bigger screens into cars and remove physical buttons, and now they’re moving in the other direction. Completely anecdotal evidence, but the last time I went to buy a car I told the salesman at the dealership that I wasn’t interested in cars newer than a certain year because that was when they increased the size of the screen and put them in a more obnoxious spot on the dashboard, and he said that he heard similar sentiments from practically everybody who came in looking to buy a car - everybody hated the bigger screens.
I had a coworker tell me how cool Copilot was because he asked it a question and it found the answer in an email in his outlook mailbox. I thought, “you needed AI to search your email?”
We are probably cooked.
I know what you mean. It’s a pretty vague term though. You could argue that as soon as it enters the midsection of the bell curve at all, it’s “in the mainstream.” It doesn’t have to have captured a full 90% of the bell curve.
